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    For the isolated molecule such as CO2 which is D infinity h, what is the symmetry group? I could not find this one in the manual

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      Hi Jonas,

      CRYSTAL does not implement point groups with infinite-order rotations, so \(D_{\infty h}\) cannot be used directly. For linear molecules like CO₂, the practical approach is to approximate the symmetry using a finite-order rotation group.

      In this case, \(D_{4h}\) (i.e., 24) is a good option in CRYSTAL. It preserves the key degeneracies of linear molecules, including the doubly degenerate bending modes of CO₂. Using a lower-symmetry group like \(D_{2h}\) would artificially lift these degeneracies.

      Davide Mitoli, PhD Student
      Department of Chemistry - University of Torino
      V. Giuria 5, 10125 Torino (Italy)
      https://github.com/davidemitoli

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        Davide, a follow up question. Will that not affect the resulting thermodynamics? I mean translational or rotational (I can never remember) thermodynamics is dependent on symmetry and I am calculating thermodynamic quantities here

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          If you fear that a reduced symmetry might influence the thermodynamic results, you can simply run the calculation without imposing any symmetry at all. For a 3-atom system like CO₂ the computational cost is so minimal that you can run both symmetry-free and \(D_{4h}\) calculations. Comparing the two results should give you an indication of whether the imposed symmetry has any impact on the quantities you are interested in.

          Davide Mitoli, PhD Student
          Department of Chemistry - University of Torino
          V. Giuria 5, 10125 Torino (Italy)
          https://github.com/davidemitoli

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